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This series of articles are dedicated to all Chinese studying and working in Finland. Thanks to all authors. Special thanks to editor for her priceless inspiration and encouragement, and thanks to my Finnish friend Anssi who firstly impresses me of how independent Finns are, and to Wan Tao, who taught me lots of his experience in the IT industry.

2007 Collection


1 前言.在芬兰找工作

2 暑假实习

我身边找到工作的,特别是TKK06届的IMP,大部分还是在院系的实验室或者公司做暑假实习的。对于新生来说,特别是没有工作经历的,暑假实习是迈入职场的最好机会。这一部分的所有文章都是关于2007年的暑假实习,包括TKK实验室,公司,以及Nokia研究中心。

2.1 实验室暑假实习

Computer Science的Telecommunication Software实验室 (TML):小金,兔子
Communication Engineering的Networking实验室 (Netlab):Varun (印度)
Electrical Engineering的Micro and Nanosciences实验:Amit (印度)
Energy Economics and Power Plant Engineering实验室:Aditya (尼泊尔)

2.2 公司暑假实习

IT:天天
电子:Liu Dan,小乔
Healthcare:icejacky

2.3 Nokia研究中心暑假实习

Nokia理所当然的是芬兰高科技领域最令人向往的企业,相信也是很多人留学芬兰的原因之一。一些外国朋友写了他们在nokia研究中心实习的经历:Sergey (俄罗斯), Murad (爱沙尼亚), Amr (埃及)。

3 工作感悟

IT:挪威森林,青蛙Nokia的Fan前辈
电子:曹总,gfsnake
印刷:Iceinhell
通信:花姐

4 Pimp your job in Finland by editor

2013年更新
进入2012年以后,芬兰找工作的情况发生了很大变化。大公司裁员裁到几乎不再招人(法律规定优先裁掉的员工重新上岗,外加很多裁员是因为把工作转向国外了)。小公司越来越多。因为芬兰市场小,芬兰小公司很多就是born global的,因此对于招收外国学生比大公司要积极,而且不受语言限制。本贴从头到尾倾向大公司,所以就不再在这里更新了,新开一贴讲小公司。
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1 前言.在芬兰找工作

6月还未到,而我已经开始我们实验室的暑假实习工作了。自从06年9月份来芬兰后,这近一年时间里,我对芬兰的教育和IT业也算有了个大致的了解,也更坚信自己当初选择芬兰的决定是正确的。这次负责迎新的工作,我希望能让更多人了解芬兰的就业情况,于是动员了我周围的朋友,一起写写在芬兰找工作的经验。

我想在谈及自己找工作的经验之前,写个引子,说说来芬兰后给我感触最大的事。它与在芬兰找工作这个话题,有着深层次的,千丝万缕的联系。

这件事就是,大多数的芬兰学生都是半工半读,暑假期间则是全工。低年级的大学生会去做一些蓝领工,高年级有专业技能的就做正式工作,虽然不一定和专业相关,比如我认识的一个芬兰朋友,读电子的,但在一个做网站的IT公司就职。这种现象,在就业市场人满为患,大学生毕业就失业,而且读书和工作渭分明的中国,真的很难想象。当然,中国特色的半工半读是做家教,但这点不在本文讨论范围内。

其背后主要原因是芬兰学生十分独立,而且按照传统,大学之后,他们就基本不找父母要钱了。虽然政府会每月发给他们一些补贴,但这笔钱也就只够房租后日常的基本开销,我那位芬兰朋友说的好:当别人每月有两三千欧元而你自己才几百欧元时,你的心态能平衡吗?

至于其他原因,我个人看法是,第一,芬兰人口少,总共才五百万人,人才市场不会太饱和;第二,芬兰员工享有漫长的暑假,于是公司,研究型机构,以及学校实验室提供了大量的暑假实习机会给在校学生;第三,读书和工作,在芬兰没有明确界限,在这里,花个上十年完成从本科到硕士的学业很常见,因为芬兰人不做“全职”学生。

对我的触动,第一当然是芬兰人的独立。有一次我问我的芬兰室友去过哪些欧洲国家旅行,他说没去过太多地方,因为他是穷学生,我很震惊。且不说在国内大学生花父母的钱生活乃天经地义,好吧,反正一个月就几百吧,但对于出国留学的人,虽然芬兰留学因为不需要学费的原因相对廉价,但面对高额的物价和旅游花费,大家都花的这么心安理得吗?反正我反省自己,深感大学四年的罪过,竟然一份工作都没做过!而且我也不由得质疑中国父母的心态,比如说我的父母,在我留学之前说,我们攒了多少多少钱,你读到哪里,我们供到哪里。我感到一股寒意,真的,让孩子去独立吧,他不会饿死的,如果他能这点生存的能力都没有,那就别让他出国了,这些钱给他在国内花不更好吗?有一句老话:“紧紧握住,你什么也得不到;松开手,就是一个世界”,这句话对父母来说,我觉得非常有意义。

第二个触动是,中国学生,不要再继续作死读书的书呆子了,如果你不搞学术,就走出校园,半工半读去,或者在学校的实验室里谋求一份职位。毕竟学校不是职业培训机构,我们学的知识很多并非实用导向的。大学是培养你的学术能力和理性思维,以及孕育你高尚情操的地方,它的职责从来不是把你培养成一个软件工程师。可笑的是,国内媒体众口一词的指责大学课程实用性差,无法让大学生适应今后的工作要求。是,国内高等教育水平的落后我们有目共睹,但他妈大学就应该天天教你编程,教你怎么上班?国内大学生,即时是名牌大学,其堕落者都屡见不鲜。自己不在本科四年内提高能力,反而怪大学不教你如何工作?什么狗屁逻辑!抱歉我如此的愤怒,其实我想说的只是,作为大部分不会去从事学术研究的留学生,尽可能早点进入职场,在工作中才知道自己需要学什么,这样学校的课程会对你有更大的帮助,既然芬兰提供了这样对于国内来说算奢侈的条件,就好好珍惜它。

接下来分析最重要的事情,那就是为何国际学生,特别是计算机专业,在芬兰相对容易就业的现象。对于国际学生来说最重要的因素是:芬兰的国际化程度高。是的,就是这样。芬兰没有宏伟的建筑,林立的高楼大厦,气派的首都机场,繁华的街道,但这里的职场国际化程度高,很多高科技行业,比如IT,通信,电子都是英语办公,所以应聘者并不需要掌握芬兰语。至于管理和商业,因为行业本身的特点,对不会芬兰语的国际学生来说,应该还是很难进入的。

另外一个重要因素,则和芬兰近年来的经济发展有关。反正和几个芬兰人聊到这个问题时,他们都说近年来芬兰很多行业发展的不错,特别是高科技行业,需要大量的技术员工,那么在本国资源不够的情况下,提供给外国人的工作机会也就多了。当然有前辈告诫我,芬兰人雇用你不是因为你多么优秀,而是因为在相同能力下,外国人比较便宜。当廉价工的感觉当然不好受,但从某个角度说,这也算相对优势吧?
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2.1 实验室暑假实习

TML

小金

获得实验室工作的一个过程:
1,参加一个seminar课程,选一个感兴趣的题目,指导老师是实验室教授;
2,认真完成课程;
3,教授需要人手帮忙完成一个跟该题目有关的验证工作;
4,教授想到我在seminar选了这个题目,比较熟悉,给我机会;
5,尽可能抓住这个机会,如果你比较感兴趣,即使时间上可能会比较困难;
6,努力按时做好这个工作;
7,申请实验室的暑假工作,教授比较自然的会想到你。

小结:
1,留心实验室工作具体内容;
2,做好该做的事情;
3,不要放过机会,即使会辛苦一点;

建议:
1,可以更加主动。比如主动联系教授询问是否有工作可以参与,但最好是能有某些熟悉的技术,比如某类编程语言,Linux, 数据库,等等;
2,做工作一定要问清楚任务内容,绝对不能也不必要不懂装懂。另外一些细节,比如文档,应该咨询其他同事,以符合当地规范。

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兔子

以上是我的同学,也是现在summer job的partner小金同学的经验。他和我是因为同一个原因拿到实习offer的,就是我们在11月份的时候给TML的Antti教授做了一个小程序,来测试他的一个想法。那时课程很紧张,但我们还是利用周末的时间把这个程序完成了,虽然整体来说设计和实现的都很烂,但教授依然很慷慨地把暑假实习的机会给我们2个了。所以小金总结的非常有价值,想进实验室实习,要尽可能给教授留下好的印象,帮教授做一些小项目是最容易的方法。

除了TML,我还拿到了其他的一些面试,包括hiit(赫大与HUT合办的研究机构)和Nokia研究中心。我说一下自己申请工作时的2点经验。海投当然是第一原则,天下皆然,就不赘述了。

1,简历。绝对重要的东西。每年校园内的企业宣传会上,会有公司里的人来专门给学生改简历,学校同时也会举办关于写简历的讲座,这些都强烈建议参加。我自己的经验是,简历要精简在2页之内,排版要干净,必需包括的信息有personal data, education, work history (if any), languages, IT Skills;对于计算机专业的学生,特别是和我一样没有工作经验的,一定要把自己做过的有价值的程序写上去,特别课程设计,TKK的很多课程的编程练习难度绝对够高,比如Concurrent Programming, Embedded Systems, Network Multimedia Protocols and Services, Protocol Design等等。很明显这里我有另外一个意思,对于想找程序员工作的同学,建议多选编程导向的课,不仅是为了简历上好看一些,更重要的是你确实能学到实用的技能。计算机系的强烈推荐极度BT的Concurrent Programming,只要能把3个编程练习都坚持完,一定会有巨大的收获;networking的强烈推荐后面那2门课,教授是个巨牛的德国人,IETF里SIP working group的前主席,他手中的项目也是极多的。

2, Cover letter。一般投简历的时候,也要在邮件里附上cover letter。和申请学校时的PS类似,cover letter要展现你对所申请工作的了解,以及你的interest和motivation。如上所述,简历里一定要包括你做过的项目和课程设计,但在简历上毕竟不好扩展开写,所以在cover letter上,一定要详细地介绍它们。

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Netlab

Varun Singh (Indian)
2006 International Master Programme in Communications Engineering - Networking Technology

(He talked about why to choose Finland and TKK, and how he got the job in the lab, as well as ongoing research and what technologies are used)

Greetings! My name’s Varun Singh and I hail from India; I have been studying at HUT/TKK for the past one year. I have to confess at the onset that the last year has been very exciting and my views might be a “tad” biased.

I chose to come to Finland over the US (which is a preferred destination for many Indians) as Europe and increasingly Finland has become a fore-runner in Telecommunication. With Nokia as its flag ship, it wasn’t a very difficult decision to make.

While studying at TKK, one can work at the university (with a professor, contributing to research) or in the industry (contributing to and/or implementing technologies).

To foster job opportunities for students, TKK hosts a job-fair (mostly IT) at the end of October which gives students an opportunity to meet with their potential employers and discuss possibilities of employment, part-time or full-time.

For those wishing to work at their laboratory, usually the job postings are listed towards during the spring semester. Moreover, professors tend to recruit students out of their classes and/or advertise job openings usually at the end of their courses (keep tabs on the appropriate mailing lists).

I am currently working as a Research Assistant at the Network Laboratory under the guidance of Prof. J�rg Ott (http://www.netlab.hut.fi/~jo), in the field of Conversational Video communication and Delay Tolerant Networks. More information on these areas can be found at the department homepage. I started working at the laboratory at the beginning of the year and it has been an exciting last 10 months, juggling work (full-time) and studies has been the biggest challenge, but it can be done with a bit of perseverance.

The laboratory has many areas of expertise ranging from Telecom. Business to network signaling to network protocols, each research area seeminly independent from one another however there is dependence on one another and taking courses in each area gives a better understanding of this relationship and understanding the telecom systems and architecture. Depending on one’s area of interest, some amount of programming skills are needed, C/C++/Java are recommended while other skills can be learnt on the fly; like using tools, simulators, scripting etc – One just needs a willingness to contribute to research, and some basic knowledge!

Netlab: http://www.netlab.hut.fi/engl.shtml
J�rg Ott: http://www.netlab.hut.fi/u/jo/
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Micro and Nanosciences Laboratory

Engines and Roses
Amit Khanna (Indian)

2006 Master's Programme in Micro- and Nanotechnology

This article seeks to give new students an opinion on ways to support their stay in Finland and ridicule few notions usually professed in “Guide to Suomi” web pages. It is a land of lakes, woods and quiet. All right! sometimes it is quiet; but it is as much parties, grills and saunas and if you can start a conversation, Finnish people are talkative too. Having fixed that bug on some web pages – ‘tervetuloa’ to all new students! Although, the content henceforth is written mostly for students accepted as Masters degree students in Nanotechnology, I recommend you to read it too 8).

Getting through hustle and bustle of orienteering, purchasing discounted travel cards, furnishing the apartment, registering for courses..blah..blah..blah.., only thing that might linger on at back of the head is - how to support oneself financially (aka: fuel).

For a multitude of obvious reasons it is best to find work that compliments academics but it gets especially tricky for students without work experience Unless lady luck is already charmed in which case one immediately lands with a job (a bed of roses (abor)) it is probably most suitable to pursue academics for first two periods i.e. until January. That’s when most research labs and companies advertise openings (http://news.tky.fi/thread.php?group=tori.tyopaikat). It would be helpful to have a good CGPA and around thirty credits by then. Also, a couple of job fairs are held in Dipoli, they are worth a visit - atleast for the CV doctors; who can polish your resume for the Finnish job market (http://www.uraverkko.net/en) .Hopefully this and previous work in home university impresses a prospective recruiter and a paid position is secured in which case, life is still abor. Else, it is recommended that the individual request a professor in her/his field of interest (circuit design, sensors etc.) to provide a Special Assignment (a Special Assignment is a practical project in the laboratory). Try starting it no later than Feb so that it can be finished by May. Apart from academic credits this provides experience in technical research and an opportunity to interact with the professor on a regular basis outside the lectures. This position can be paid (fuel) depending upon availability of funds in lab. However, trying to manage special assignment and studies simultaneously can be a little demanding (roses and thorns!).

After spring term almost all laboratories employ summer trainees. These positions are advertised in the months of Mar and Apr on labs home page or on the 1st link above. If the laboratory of interest has not advertised, it would be of no harm whatsoever to take an appointment with a professor and share with them your motivation to work in their group. A completed special assignment and study credits should ensure that a summer trainee position is yours. Otherwise, it is wise to keep an eye on web pages of companies like Nokia, Okmetic and Silecs, which operate from Helsinki region.

By the end of first summers in Finland a foreign student without work-ex could have been a part of two projects (special assignment ja summer work). Next step could be a thesis position which is usually paid in the industry or in the laboratory. Companies show willingness to employ summer trainees and then continue with them as thesis students. This provides (companies) an opportunity to examine the candidate without offering a permanent position and the candidate work-ex. It is a win-win situation for both, but there are many applications. Advice: always follow up your job application with a phone call to the HR department. Anyhow by the end of summers there should be some fuel to drive the engine and mood like – abor!

Enjoy the ride,
Amit [amit(dot)khanna(at)tkk(dot)fi]

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Laboratory of Energy Economics and Power Plant Engineering – A personal view
Aditya Poudyal (Nepal)

26/09/22

It is quite weird that I am working in the laboratory of energy economics and power plant engineering although being a degree student in electrical engineering. The motivation that drove me to end up with this lab is my past experiences with renewable energy, micro hydro economics and electric three wheelers that I had in Kathmandu University back home Nepal.

Organizational Structure
This lab is under the department of mechanical engineering. Two professors, one in energy economics side and the other the power plant engineering side, are leading a group of 11 personnel including both research and teaching assistants. There is one office secretary and a laboratory technician beside professors and assistants. I am working in the energy economics side.

Goal of the Laboratory
The primary goals of the laboratory are to deliver the lectures and organize student seminar in the field related to power plant engineering and energy economics and to conduct scientific research in the related fields. Paper industries are the major source of research fund some fund also comes from research foundation at TKK.

My job and responsibilities
I am working in the energy economics side. Research areas in the energy economics side include general energy economics, energy markets, distributed power generation, system analysis and mathematical modeling. My responsibility is to make economics analysis of the small hydro plant that can used to produce off grid electricity locally in the rural part of Nepal. However there are many rural energy technology available today, hydro power is one of the best suited power generation resource in Nepal and also it has a huge hydropower potential. Very small streams of water that flows from the very high hill has a sufficient head to run a turbine that is capable of producing couple of hundreds or even thousands watts of power. Hydro power is popular coz it is a proven technology and easy to built and also has very minimal operating costs. Another advantage of hydropower is since there is continuous water flow there is no need of energy storage and also shaft power can directly be used for milling crushing and grinding. Small hydro power ranging from 200W to 5kW is the viable source of energy for the remote part of Nepal where the national grid extension is not possible for next few decades. So objective of my work is to make a detail literature review of the small hydro power in the rural Nepal and making an economic analysis of the total electrification of the rural Nepal with small hydro plants. Though the work currently is limited to the economic analysis of the hydro power plants, in long run it can extended to a complete and thorough economic assessment of the off grid electrification using various renewable energy technology in the developing countries like Nepal.
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2.2 公司暑假实习

IT

天天

因为我自己是从trainee走出去的(真的走出去了?- -#),而且前面都讲了一些找正式工作的了。这里就讲讲找trainee(intership)吧,主要是夏天的暑假(一般2-3月是申请高峰),那段时间是几乎所有公司trainee招人的一个高潮,一个是因为公司想招学生里有能力的那些,一个是因为暑假芬兰人有1-2个月的假期,需要提前找个backup的人顶一下。而且trainee对个人的要求初期也没有那么高,适合一些想找工作,但是工作经验不足的同学。

首先当然是个人CV,具体芬兰人喜欢怎样的CV,请参考 http://www.uraverkko.net/en/index.php 这里的CV,covering letter, job interview的意见以及工资税收的东东,事先一定要先浏览一下,做到心里有数。 CV和coverletter的话如果英语(written English)不够好的同学可以去网上找一些不错的句子,流利的语句的确给看的人印象深刻(我的个人经历!),但是别乱编… , 我写完后EMAIL问了下系里的专门管学生找工作的那个人, 她给了我意见让我修改。 不知道具体address的话可以发信问student office 的人。

然后就是针对你自己的专业了, 我自己是学计算机的,所以相对来说公司比较多,反正就是把cover letter的公司名字改一下,然后针对它对应聘人的要求,着重一下自己的相关特长。事后我和公司的人力资源当年审查这些candidates的MM交流的时候,她说我的CV很简介扼要,除了首先general介绍自己的特点外下面的都是根据他们的要求写的一些特长和不足, 在快速浏览NNNN份CV的时候很对胃口。 (记住: 很多公司检查CV的人并不是你那个专业的人而是人力资源部的,所以CV一定要漂亮,不要拖拖拉拉写N多琐碎的技术,但是人家完全不爱看!), 过了第一步CV的关,接下来对方会电话通知你面试或者是电话面试 (我俩个都参加了-.-,比较苦)。面试的话,我个人觉得如果是公司,比如Nokia这样的正规公司,穿正装是必须的!没有的去借一天也行,是一种尊重! 至于是面试比较熟悉的LAB 或者一些经常见面的教授,或许没有这么多要求。

在前面链接里也有具体面试对方会问到的一些问题,芬兰人一般比较随和,问的问题不会很偏激也不会太个人。 把问题浏览一下做到心里有数吧, 我个人的面试是人力资源的人,所以问题都不是很技术,但是考究你的英语能力和交际能力, 回答要有礼貌恰到好处。接下来的电话面试到是manager了, 事先找个安静的地方,最好是在家里, 不要被人打扰,切忌不要在公共场所,一般电话面试也要持续个40分钟..在外面很容易被干扰,影响发挥。

最后一点就是要多投简历啦,有机会就去试….撒网然后总能收到几个面试机会的:)。大家都有这个第一步,不要老认为自己没技术没经验..,HUT的很多课的实践性还是很强的,平时不要放弃那些在学校的机会哈。

最后放一个芬兰各个大的公司主页的链接,这些就需要劳神自己去主页看有什么open position了。
http://www.uranus.fi/en/jobseekers/jobs ... p?id=19982

对了,忘记说了。关于一些大公司的tainee 可能有送去中国实习的机会,很多同学可能想顺便拿张回国的机票,又实习又回家玩一趟, 最好不要有这种思想, 既然是国际性的tainee,招聘的人就不想是把人送去本国,那就达不到国际这个概念,至少在我和HR的人聊的时候她说只要看到中国人填去中国的一般不考虑,除非实在是没人,或者非常需要中文..

而且有一点, 很多资是按当地的水平发(如果事先没说的话,很可能!), 你愿意回去拿1000RMB一个月么?送去哪都OK, 当是一次锻炼,但是别去中国...

P.S 关于TKK的 http://www.uraverkko.net/en/index.php 找工作的人一定要看,里面有很好的模板也有很好的文章,通读是必要的!再次强调一下。。。。

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电子

Liu Dan (ät) Electrical Engineering

Hyvinkää 是个美丽的小城市,离赫尔辛基40分钟火车距离。这里宁静而安详,有生机盎然草地,随处可见的各色野花,夕阳中遛狗的老人,街头偶尔热辣的美女……这一切,就是我原本想象中的芬兰,想象中的欧洲小镇风光。当然,来这里并不是来享受生活的,而是因为暑期实习。在Hyvinkää有两个比较大的公司,一个是 KONE,另一个是KONECRANES,后者是从前者独立出来的业务,而我的暑假实习就在KONECRANES的全球技术支持中心。

起因是一月份学校的Career Fair, 很多公司来TKK做宣传,基本都是来介绍公司情况,以及回答一些对找工作的问题,但不接受简历。在这个Fair上,我拿了一张Konecranes的宣传单,HR给我留了我现在老板的Mail, 三天后我投了在芬兰的第一份简历,职位是Global Technical Support. 两个月之后我已经忘记这事的时候,某个周五早上接到一个电话,记得那时我还在睡觉,迷迷糊糊的,直到听到对方的自我介绍,才一下子清醒过来。接下来周一那次面试我见到了三个人,分别是小经理,中经理,大经理。他们都很Kind, 因为他们都是技术出生,不是专业HR,基本也没有问什么刁难我的问题,就像聊天一样聊了一个多小时,当聊到没话的时候,四个人就大眼瞪小眼的坐着,很是有意思,然后小经理很热情的带我去工厂参观了一圈,最后还帮我订了一个TAXI去火车站。接着再下一个星期一,他们给我发了份Welcome mail,确认了这个实习。我一直觉得这都是个运气,所以毫无经验可言。原来一直打算暑假在实验室开始论文的前期,所以对找实习也并没有在意,去这个 Fair也是因为在系楼碰见一个同学,硬把我拉过去看看热闹。甚至于这个职位我自己都没注意,都是HE同学提醒我,让我去试试。我本是个粗心而懒散的人,有的时候机会很突然的来临,是我的朋友们提醒我抓住了,我很感谢他们。

下面说说Electrical Engineering专业下面四个实验室吧:电力系统,电力电子,电机以及照明。电力系统要求比较苛刻,最近几年似乎没有招过中国人,今年我们班最勤奋的一个尼日利亚人进去了,才两星期就在加拿大某会议发了PAPER,和教授去那边Happy去了,如果有学弟学妹有兴趣的话,建议把第一个学期的 POWER SYSTEM学好,首先你必须考5,而且你确实得有这方面的研究背景,否则希望不大。电力电子一直是比较研究化的实验室,经费也比较紧张,如果对于工资要求不高,而且确实有兴趣的话,可以考虑一下。电机是和产业研究比较密切的一个实验室,和ABB, KONE等都有联系,经费也比较充足,目前的课题都偏向于一些模型和模拟运算。最后说说照明实验室,也是我的老本行,比较偏门的一个实验室。但是由于老大比较活跃,所以条件还是不错的,有光源,视觉几个方向,都是比较理论的东西,取决于自己的兴趣。以上建议仅供参考,当然你也可以申请别的专业的课题,比如我一个尼泊尔同学,自己主动和Energy的教授联系, 现在就在Energy Department做一些Research, 他应该会来补充一些他的经验。

最后,写一句我特别喜欢的话:“Just try, you will lose nothing!”这是我班上一个同学一直鼓励我的话,因为每次当我觉得有些退缩的时候,他总是这么对我说。如果你一个人在奋斗,有时候难免怀疑自己的时候,请记得对自己说这句话,它会给你带来力量。

So, just try, you will lose nothing!
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2.3 Nokia Research Center Summer Internship

Job interview in Nokia Research Center
Murad (Esthonian)


My interview in Nokia Research Center (NRC) lasted approximately one hour and forty minutes, it was longest job interview I had in my life so far, but also the most interesting one. It started at 11.30 in the morning and ended after 13.00.

Interview started as usually with standard questions about progress of my studies, amount of credits I have so far and amount of years and credits I should pass to graduate from University. Then there were questions about University subjects, I listed subjects I passed this year and they asked me to name the the most interesting, hardest and uninteresting subject I had this year, and explain my choice. After that we continued with questions about future, do I plan to study for PhD and what branch of computer science is the most interesting for me. There was also question where do I plan and would like to study in the future, Finland or Estonia.

Then we started with technical questions and the first question was of course what programming languages and technologies I was working with. After small discussion of programming languages and projects I was working with, interviewers started to asked me more their project oriented questions, there were questions about REST, SOAP, XML, Python S60 and more.

When we finished with programing languages and technologies, they gave me a paper with technical questions and asked to answer on them with few words. Questions were:

1. What is Object-oriented programming and why is it so popular.
2. What is inheritance in C++ and what is the different from inheritance in Java.
3. What is the biggest minus of C as a programming language, why?
4. What many-to-many relation in database means.
5. What is interface in Java
6. What is the ORM (Object-Relational Mapping)
7. What is design pattern, example?
8. If I would have a task do design a database for some problem how would I do it?

There were some more questions, unfortunately, I don't remember all of them exactly, but listed above were primary ones.

Then we continued with programming. Interviewers gave me a piece of paper with pieces of code on it and the task was to find mistakes in the program. I had to correct the mistakes so that program would work. Mistakes were pretty simple, for example C function initializing static variable making some manipulations with it and returning pointer to it, second program was with mistake where program was looping over the array of elements always ignoring the first element, methods were designed pretty messy way, so it would be more difficult to find the mistake.

Then they gave me another paper with incomplete programs and I had to complete them, there were few programs on Java and C. Java program was about working with ActionListener. Programs were not very difficult and quite easy for people who were working with Java and C.

In the end there was one more task, to write function for calculating Fibonacci numbers, function receives integer value, how many Fibonacci numbers to calculate and returns an array of n Fibonacci numbers. Problem had to be solved in iterative and recursive way. This task was also pretty easy, especially taking into account that Fibonacci numbers problem is usually example exercise on every basic course of programming.

Environment on interview was very good and relaxing, we didn't only talk about topics covered in questions but discussed also some other interesting topics emerging in the middle of conversation. Interview was pretty interesting, and I can say that it was the most interesting job interview I has so far, although pretty long one.

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Sergey Gerasimenko (Russian)
2006 International Master Programme - Mobile Computing

To begin with, to find a job in Finland was much harder than in other courtiers I lived before, such as US, Russia, and Ukraine. What Finland really requires today – is a great amount of C++ and Java coders. But labor market for persons with different interests is quite limited. Thus, if you like programming –come to Finland without any hesitations, you will easily find a job here. The process of looking for a job is pretty easy. Basically, information provided at the department website is all that you need for job hunting. Although most of the jobs in English you are still highly recommended to know some Finnish. It really helps. For example, the largest website with job advertisements mol.fi available in Finnish only.

Interviews are another big problem, but the situation is more or less the same in all European countries. First of all, employers trust everything you wrote in your CV and almost never ask you to demonstrate your skills. Most of the questions will sound like “What do you like to do in a free time” or “Why you chose Finland”. Thus, it would be a good idea to read sample questions (department web site has them) and prepare good answers. It is all about presenting yourself.


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2006 NordSecMob

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3 工作感悟

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工作感悟 -- 兼谈芬兰和中国工作的区别
挪威森林


我是挪威森林。因为喜欢伍佰的这首歌,并且特别喜欢北欧森林的宁静深远,所以起了这个名字。我在国内的一个研究所工作了4、5年,这个研究所就是去年中国的预警机坠毁牵涉到的那个研究所。刚刚正式装备部队的歼10也是我们所做的地面指挥雷达。

我来芬兰后读的硕士,然后又在一个大公司做手机软件测试4年,现在在一个做网状网络的公司做程序员。写点这几年我的感受希望对大家有帮助。

我在芬兰的大学里待了两年,这段时间就不说什么了,想必很多人比我的经验还多 :) 我主要是说说在工作中的。

I. 初进公司

说实话,我到公司这还是xxx上轿头一回。

因为在国内去的是电子工业部的研究所,其实是军工的研究所。典型的铁饭碗,甚至身份要加密的,出来都很不容易。研究所跟普通公司有很大的区别。我们刚进所都是先到工厂实习3个月,就是做电路板的组装。然后我是去了数字信号部,刚去都是有“师傅”带的,什么问题都可以问师傅,并且是一带就带一两年。

来到这里,我是进了真正的公司。一个有两万多员工,工厂遍布世界各地的公司。我在的是研发中心,刚进去是没有师傅带你的。一切都要靠自己学,自己问,自己想,自己做。当然,开始的时候有一些培训,就是presentation,但都是那些人力资源的人夸夸其谈公司的规模、发展什么的,跟你的工作没有关系的。

因此第一个感悟就是“在芬兰的公司,独立学习的能力要特别强,而且还要不耻上问,有不懂的就问。”千万要记住,不论多么简单的问题、多么低级的问题,只要不懂就赶紧问。不然等过了几个月,你再问的话,呵呵,别人心里就瞧不起你了。

第二个感悟就是“刚进公司开始的三个月,应该会特别的累和辛苦”,因此一定要坚持下来。也许接受能力强的人要好点,能力差的人要更艰难点。但一定要记住“坚持、主动、不怕辛苦”。只有你的工作态度好,把新东西在短时间内掌握了,人家才会考虑到给你正式合同。

II. 公司的人际关系

在公司(研究所也一样),人际关系是要注意的。只是我的运气比较好:在国内的研究所关系相对简单,当然毕竟是中国,勾心斗角是少不了的,只是可能比那些事业单位要好一点。可能中国这两年私营和外企多了,一切向效益看齐,人际关系能简单一些了吧。在芬兰的公司,尽管这里其实比中国简单多了,但人际关系照样重要。主要是对上司、对同事、对下属。三方面。

我的经验,简单地说,就是:对上司要绝对服从(记住绝对两个字,即使他是错的),并且要积极主动(就是motivation)。对同事呢,自己承担的事情、任务就一定要保质保量完成。对别人应该做的事呢,记住不要太多插手。在芬兰一定要区分同事间合作和独立的关系。这点,跟在中国很不一样,也许国内的同事看到你帮他们做事,很高兴。可是在这里,别人应该做的任务,你最好别去越俎代庖。对下属(如果你有的话),我是按照中国人的方法做的:就是多沟通,他们要是不会,我会教他们或者干脆自己做了。当然,有下属的最大的好处,就是你可以尽量把那些繁琐的、耗时间的事情布置下去,自己做一些需要思考的,但不是简单重复的事情 :)

我的上司对我呢,是另外一种方法,她很少私下沟通,沟通主要是通过开会。并且从来不问你会不会,或者过问细节,就只是布置任务。是那种很冷血的上司。这种管理风格也是一种可行的。

最后,提醒大家一下。很多芬兰人也和中国人一样,都想办法向上爬,并且向上的过程中芬兰本地人会有一些优势(起码是语言上和沟通上的)。因此这点大家要特别注意。你的同事,可能比你干的差,但照样能升到你的头上。因此我们中国员工,第一要心态平和,第二要更积极主动,并且注意和上司的沟通,让他们看到你的能力和作用。

总之,在公司中,积极主动很重要,特别是很多芬兰同事很懒的,你不要被他们“带坏”了 :) 要多向那些勤奋的芬兰人学习。呵呵。

III. 在公司要独当一面

这点要求,是给那些想在公司牢牢站稳脚,并且想有一番作为的人作参考的。如果你仅仅想混个芬兰的PR,那就跳过去吧。

芬兰人其实是很尊重技术的。特别是中国人本身在语言和文化上有差异和弱势,当然技术上一定要过硬,才能让公司看中你、留住你。我在芬兰公司,发现芬兰的公司主管其实有一种惰性:如果他们发现有一件任务(比较难的任务),你能完成,而且完成得挺出色,那么今后都会让你做类似的任务。时间久了,整个公司提到这种任务,大概就只想到你一个了。呵呵,这时候你就算是独当一面了。到了这个地步,那就恭喜你了。你要辞职,公司都会想办法挽留你的。

IV. 英语一定要好

也许有人天生没有语言天赋,那么,起码你的英语阅读能力要很强,这是在芬兰IT公司待下去的基础。如果要再要求高一点,就是英文的日常沟通能力。主要是技术上的。
再要求高一点,就是有技巧的英文表述能力、辩论能力和说服能力。

有人可能觉得这些挺难的,因为感觉很难达到。的确,在学校里、在家里学习再刻苦、再努力,也做不到的。这些能力只能在工作中学习,在工作中提高。因此,大家现在应该知道,当你看到一个人的简历上写到在芬兰(或者外国公司)工作N年的工作经验,并不仅仅意味着他/她有什么技术,还意味着别的东西。所以,大家要抓紧工作机会,多沟通,多提高,要全方面的。

V. 在芬兰跳槽

我在国内没跳过槽,因为我对自己挺没信心的。在芬兰我其实也不打算跳的,打算在一个公司待一辈子。但现在中国、亚洲发展那么迅速,加上我想将来还是回国工作的好。所以咬咬牙,找了一下想在中国和亚洲市场有所作为的公司。最后,我就跳到了现在这个小公司,它在香港已经有了代理处,在努力发展大陆、香港和台湾市场。

跳槽中要注意的地方很多。特别是他们的劳动保障制度很复杂。既有对员工的保障也有对雇主的保障,我实在没时间和篇幅详细说了。只是提醒大家注意:到你离开公司为止的休假,一天都不能少要。并且尽量要假期,不要钱,因为假期是100%给你的,而钱,政府要收掉大量的税,特别是你立刻到新公司工作的话,算你同时有两份收入了。税很高的。
另外要注意的是,对将要离开的公司,一定要客气、要处理好手中的所有工作。因为新公司可能会跟现在的公司询问你的工作情况的。

最后,要告诉大家,其实在芬兰找第一份工作最难,而要跳槽就相对简单些了,因为你已经有了很多工作经验,芬兰公司当然是欢迎富有经验的人。你的经历稍加修饰就是一份很好的CV,比刚工作的人有很多优势。因此,跳槽的人,应该是充满信心的。

结束前,我想到在HUT的QQ群上,好像就是Rabbit跟我说的:芬兰技术人员是求大于供的。因此在芬兰找工作,竞争压力比中国要小很多。关键是你有没有独立工作能力,有没有学习能力,能否用英语有效沟通,以及是否积极主动工作。

好了,先写道这里。谢谢大家花时间看我的一些个人感受。如果以上文字有不对的,或者你有什么建议,欢迎告知我。我会仔细考虑或者更正的。

--挪威森林,Otaniemi, 2007
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Post by rabbitrun84 » 29 Sep 2007 10:44

电子

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首先说,我是电子系毕业的,方向是微纳米技术……大家千万别一听纳米就觉得有多高深,无非就是个长度单位,有些人心术不正,打着纳米的旗号到处骗人,希望你别上当……所以可能我下面所说的对相同和相近专业的同学可能有帮助,其他专业的就当个参考吧!另外强调一点,我所说的不只局限在芬兰找工作,建议大家把眼光放到整个欧洲。

我一直都认为自己找工作的经历是幸运的,但是我也一直坚信只要想找,就一定找得到。所以当有人跟我抱怨说找不到工作的时候,我的回答都是一样的:你还是没想!当然,这个想与不想是有程度差别的,我所说的不想只是说没达到那种迫切的想要找到工作的程度。既然我把重点落在了找字上,我就主要说说怎样能够得到足够的工作信息吧!

还没走出过校园的同学往往只关注有限的招聘信息,而对于如何搜集更多的信息资源感觉束手无策。其实当你能够真正了解自己的专业方向所面对的工业范畴的时候,你面前的天空还是很广阔的。拿我这个专业来说,电子方向的纳米技术主要应用于半导体工业领域,那整个半导体工业就是搜索工作机会的一个大方向。确定了大方向之后就要根据自己的意愿按照工作性质进一步搜索了。简单的说工科学生一般就两种性质的工作,一个是科研,一个是工业(就是科研以外的公司里的工作)。想找科研方面的,那就多看paper,这个在写毕业论文的时候谁都做过功课,再看的时候就不要注重内容了,主要看作者的出处,最好选欧洲的期刊或者会议文章,这样就能圈定欧洲范围的主要研究机构了;如果不想做科研,那就直接找一个工业方向上权威一点的门户网站,比如半导体工业的http://www.euroasiasemiconductor.com/home.php,不要看过了career版就就觉得没事可做了,要从网站上了解整个工业,然后对应不同的产品类别、工业中的生物链环节等寻找相应的公司,再到每个公司的网页上寻找机会,每个公司又经常会有合作伙伴,以此类推,顺藤摸瓜,在你寻找工作信息的时候你也同时了解了你所面对的整个工业,这其实是一个很好的学习过程,这种方法在以后的工作中也会很受用。

行了,费了一大堆话,也不知道能看懂的有几个,呵呵!最后上几道专业菜吧,把我按照上述方法找到的一些半导体方面的欧洲公司及工作信息网址都贴一下,剩下的工作大家自己完成吧!

http://www.qimonda.com/index.html
http://www.asml.com/asmldotcom/show.do?ctx=427
http://www.knightsearch.com/index.html
http://www.jsrmicro.com/default.html
http://www.atmel.com/default.asp
http://www.replisaurus.com/
http://www.semica-careers.com/index.php?id=home&L=1
http://www.bosch-sensortec.com/content/ ... l/3142.htm
http://www.austriamicrosystems.com/index.htm
http://www.pactech.de/indexi.php?article_id=1&clang=0
http://www.asml.com/
http://www.osram-os.com/index.php?lan=eng
http://www.memc.com/co-at-a-glance.asp
http://www.altatech-sc.com/home.htm
http://www.soitec.com/
http://www.sez.com/Mission_Vision.SEZ?ActiveID=1004
http://www.cnt.fraunhofer.de/fhg/cnt_en/Jobs/index.jsp
http://www.ets-technical-sales.co.uk/job-search.php
http://www.picosun.com/
http://www.heptagon.fi/
http://www.imec.be/ovinter/static_gener ... lash.shtml
http://www-leti.cea.fr/scripts/home/pub ... WWLETIHOME

再说说一个朋友的经历吧,就是咱们工大的。虽然不是中国人,但他的经历也多多少少可以给大家一些参考。master's program in Electrical engineering, 06年毕业,暑假在英国做了3个月summer trainee,回来以后完成论文,在北欧范围内广发简历(email),一周内得到3个offer(包括kone),最后选定一家芬兰公司工作。他在暑假之前对找工作也是一头雾水,甚至不知道自己是否会因为找不到工作而毕业后就面临回国。而3个月的实习和论文给了他很大帮助,让他了解了自己所学的专业到底可以应用在哪些相关的工业领域,以此作为依据,他能很快的通过各种搜索渠道找到用人单位的信息。

所以,在这里想提醒大家,欧洲范围内做trainee的机会还是不少的,你甚至可以用google直接搜索关键词:trainee+europe。做过trainee之后就大可不必再担心什么所谓的工作经验了,也可以给应聘增加信心!

Reference

http://cssa.tky.fi/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1318

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2005电子系IMP

http://cssa.tky.fi/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=7177#7177
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Post by rabbitrun84 » 30 Sep 2007 10:35

印刷

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我开始工作是从去年暑假开始的,找工作的过程是漫长而且令人沮丧的。

由于本人原来是学机械的现在在这里学印刷,这里印刷工业却并不怎么强势。我找工作的过程开始于芬兰的FBI(Forest Business Industry)会议,则个会议里面也包含了知名森林企业的介绍和夏季实习见面会。在那里我联系到了美国的Albany,后来他们同意给我一个夏季实习的机会同时希望我毕业后能够回中国继续在这个公司工作。在这以后我也投了很多求职信到其他公司,其中大部分是机械或者是印刷公司,但是都没有什么回信。到了后来我觉得我可能一定要到Albany去了。

后来Enfucell通过我的一个熟人找到了我并且希望能和我见一面,我当时并不知道这个公司是做什么的,但是后来知道它的产品以后我觉得这就是我理想的公司。虽然公司不大但是它的产品真的是面向未来,这个公司研制的产品是柔性薄电池。当我通过学习知道了印刷超薄柔性电器的方向后就觉得这个是未来发展的方向,而现在这个方向就展现在我的眼前了。

Enfucell希望能够找个合适的人来做生产工艺的设计工作,也就是研究怎么使试验室里面研制出来的东西通过机器大批量的生产出来。做这个工作需要对制造的工艺和设备都有一定的了解。而我在国内工作和学习背景以及到这里学习的专业都跟这个工作非常的一致。而我自己也是觉得这个工作是自己想要的是能实现自己设计理想的工作。考虑了一下我推掉了Albany的offer专心致力于得到Enfucell这个工作。开始的时候并不是很顺利,因为CEO倾向于招一个芬兰人。后来由于很难在芬兰人中找到和我具有相同知识背景和工作经历的技术人员,而且加上熟人的努力当时的CEO答应给我个Summer trainee的机会。

进公司了以后基于我有一定的工作经验,进去了一个月不到就进本掌握了自己该努力的方向。第二个月我就有了自己的设计思路,然后对于一些自己想好的工艺做了一些简单的试验来证明,而其余的通过参观其他公司相似生产工艺来证实其可行性。当所有的生产步骤都有了原形,我就成为了Enfucell正式的职工。通过工作增进了我和芬兰同事们的交流,而我们公司是个有机的整体大家都自觉独立的完成自己的任务,相互之间互不干涉。工作到现在我的同事都认可了我的能力,并且给我工作上的支持使得我的知识得到了充分的发挥。

在芬兰找自己学历相关的工作对于没有相关工作经验的人来说是很难的,我的一个芬兰同事是学电化学的,但是他毕业后好些年由于没有相关的工作经验只好开了很多年叉车。所以请大家要多多重视夏季实习的机会多多努力到公司里去做和自己学业相关的工作,这样才好找一份合意的工作。
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Post by rabbitrun84 » 16 Oct 2007 09:25

推荐一篇Finland Forum上的在芬兰找工作的文章。

http://www.finlandforum.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=6317

作者写这篇文章时,是一个27岁的美国工程师,在芬兰的Nokia总部工作。文章的焦点在于不说芬兰语的外国人如何在芬兰找到一份白领工作。这篇文章关注对找工作实用的问题,诸如教育,专业,语言能力,简历的注意事项,网上搜索以及申请工作,面试,工资水平等待,不一而足。

这篇文章是一份非常实用的找工作手册。另外,文后有大量回复,其中不乏有用的观点,值得看看。
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Post by rabbitrun84 » 04 Nov 2007 15:24

This is some experience from Nokia Research Center summer intern. The author talks about his understanding of the field he is working on, namely, telecommunication software, rather than how to find this job. As telecommunication software (and also Internet) is the area that Nokia is trying its best to develop, this profound article can give you a hint of what this field is like in a philosophical level, though you may not like it.

Telecommunication Software? Who Is In Charge?
From My Short Experience in Beautiful Finland
by Amr Ergawy (Egyptian)


Just monitoring what is happening in the world makes the head of any one blow. Our current world is a battlefield for humans who compete in economy, politics, science and technology. The competition is hard and getting harder. Also, the number of competitors is increasing, and it will continue to increase. All the competition areas are interrelated and overlapped some way or another, and we are caught in the middle. We have to make long term decisions as well as short term ones. And for some one, who is competing in fields like networking, distributed computing, mobile computing, information security, or any communication and information area, the competition is very hard and the decisions are very significant, critical and not easy to make.

Telecommunication has been always a very fast growing field with the same speed as the light in its optical fibres. The changes are very fast, the contributors come from different disciplines, and the needs are very vital and increasing. Telecommunication is a human need, and need is the mother of invention. At the same time, telecommunication can change the way the people live, so that they start to need what they did not need before. And here, it is all about imagination of the contributors to improve the field, and this is an advantage of this field from the vendors’ point of view. Consequently, we may say that, decision making in telecommunication has already changed the world, and it will continue to do.

Information, it is the ideas of humans, their health records, their scientific and industrial contributions, their secrets, their abstraction of the world to understand and to control it, or lets say their life. I really like the term dataology of Peter Naur, because we can really represent data as an ecosystem, it even comes from an ecosystem, i.e. life. And here, we come to computing or dataology, which is currently, considered as a science in the make. This branch of science and technology paid a lot of attention to processing of information in our life, it changed it, and it will continue to change it. Like telecommunication, computing and information processing is a human need, as well as a field that can make humans need what they did not need before. Computing and telecommunication intersect at his point, and they are really too giant factors in our day to day life. Consequently, if there is a field that combines both, this field must be very significant and the decision making in that field is very critical.

One may work on mobile computing, distributed computing, information security, or networking; however, he is still processing information as well as communicating them. To process information he must develop the proper software, even as an embedded one and he must follow the telecommunication principles and techniques. And here it comes to what we may call telecommunication software. I think the largest product of this field is Internet; it is the largest machine in the world as it covers almost all of it. It is the hugest man-made nervous system in the world. It does the job, communicating information. Any telecommunication software should do this job too. It should do it to cover human needs and to change their way of life for a better one.

But where should telecommunication software go? Who takes the lead? Is it scientists who drive it? Or is it industry people? Or is it a mix? And if it is a mix, which one is contributing the biggest portion to it? Also, how this is affected by things like economy, and politics? Answering these questions should lead us in making decisions, the strategic ones as well as the tactical ones. We, as specialized people in such field, should be aware of this, and should have a strategic keen insight. However, answering such questions is as big as the field. I can not put here any answer and claim that it is a definite one. There will be many answers, they will be dynamic too. But I will give an example answer, a Finnish one.

Of course Finland is not only Nokia, but Nokia is some thing that represents Finland all over the world. It is successful and effective giant. I had the chance to work there for a very short time during summer 2007. Previously, in autumn 2006 and spring 2007, I had the great chance to study in one of the world class universities in Europe, namely Helsinki University of Technology, HUT. The studies were really practical and interesting; I studied information security and mobile computing. Of course the difference is clear; Nokia is an industrial entity, while HUT is an academic one. More importantly, at both Finnish academy and industry, I was working on telecommunication software; I was on the connecting bridge.

For me, almost any Finnish studying or working environment is one of the greatest I will ever meet. Finnish academy is as great as Finnish industry and vice versa. People are warmly welcoming, smiling, trusting you, and sharp justice is the supreme rule of every thing. Industry means money, and academy means science, the equation of merging them should be a big one for me to understand every thing about it. However, in our Finnish example, I can say some thing. I think, a company like Nokia influences so much the research and education at a university like HUT. On the other side of the coin, we can say that, education and research at a university like HUT supports a company like Nokia so much. I think this is healthy for telecommunication software, because academy contributes to industry and vice versa. But, here, it is highly probable that industry takes the lead or at least a larger portion of the leading mix.

Our Finnish example is not an exception, check a protocol like UPnP, almost all its specification documents are industry made. Then, academy does the research to solve different problems, and UPnP can not be the only example among the different standards of telecommunication software. Of course such influence should be related to many factors that I am not able to count right now. This gives an answer to the question I raised before, about who takes the lead, in my opinion, it is industry all over the world. This should not be a surprise in a field that combines both information and communication, namely telecommunication software.

But, such an answer leaves us with big questions. For example, where is the science for science here? Can academy surprise industry in telecommunication software? Or is it natural to do a research in academy just on demands of industry? These are big questions, and critical ones for any decision at any level. They are questions about who is in charge of the field that combines the two giants, viz. information and telecommunications.


If you have read this article completely, please further consider the following case. T-110 Labin HUT and Nodes group in Univ of Helsinki are both working on the field of Telecommunication Software. I can tell you that lots of PHD students in these two labs are working in Nokia. Well, higher salary offered by the Industry counts for something of course, but the factor presented in this article that Industry leads this field, is more significant to this phenomenon, I believe. (Rabbit)
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Post by narsil » 28 Nov 2007 21:35

曹阳,在ABB工作的日子

大家好,我叫曹阳,他们都叫我曹总。答应了兔子写这篇经验介绍已经很久了,不是我一直偷懒,确实是因为觉得自己在找工作方面很不擅长,otaniemi的guifang, zaza和zaza的老婆都比我有经验。回想起来自己在找工作,投简历和面试方面的经验寥寥无几。这样吧,我就介绍一下前前后后是怎么找到我现在这份工作的吧,也算是给大家听着玩玩

2年前,我和大家一样坐芬兰航空的大飞机晃晃悠悠的来到这片陌生的土地上,一切都是那么的陌生,都是那么的充满挑战。我很努力的学习着,幸运的是,我很快通过了以前大学里面的关系在照明实验室找到了一份助研工作。现在想想,这份工作对我的帮助是巨大的。因为首先解决了自己的温饱问题,仓廪实而知礼节,衣食足而知荣辱,有了钱才可以耐心的在芬兰蛰伏下去。因此我也很珍惜这份工作的机会,自己的时间除了学习,3C,都花在工作上了(也许还有足球)。到了第一年暑假的时候,我的指导老师就让我在实验室里做论文了,当时我还不明白她的用意,以为她是想让我早点做完滚蛋,后来才发现若不是这个安排,我不可能在后来找工作的时候得到先机。

到了10月份的时候,我的论文差不多也要结束了,这时候实验室的另外一个教授告诉我一个招聘的消息:在vaasa的ABB低压产品要招一个中国人过去做销售。其实这个消息也在TKK的招聘栏上贴出来了。我大致看了一下,自己的专业符合。这边补充说一下,ABB是做电力和自动化产品的,最对口的专业应该是Electrical Engineering. TKK对应的有四个实验室,刘丹她已经说过了,我就不再敖述了。但是招聘上面有一个比较苛刻的条件就是应聘者必须在年内完成自己的论文,毕业。我知道工大有不少人边工边读,也找到了很好的工作,但是就我所看到的,芬兰公司还是比较希望招聘拿到学位的孩子,因为如果没有拿到学位,那意味着自己将有一部分时间不可避免的花在学习,对工作来说是一个不小的负担。总之那时候我早做论文的优势就体现出来了。

于是我改好自己的简历(这个也是在TKK就业指导中心的老师那边润色过的),发给ABB。几天没有回应,突然有一天,我的指导老师Liisa告诉我,ABB的人给了她电话,询问我这个人,她给了很positive的答复。我这才想,我在简历的reference上面写了Liisa的名字。果不其然,不过一会儿,ABB那边,就是我现在的老板打电话来了,让我去vaasa面试。不几天我就去了,我老板来接的我,一路上告诉我,其实他以前也在TKK读书,所以知道Liisa,这里一定要提醒大家了,芬兰单位一般很重视你的芬兰老师,雇主或者同事的评价,TKK作为全芬兰最强的工科院校,它里面的老师往往是桃李满天下的,所以平时多搞搞关系吧…有了Liisa的正面肯定,我老板对我印象也就好多了。那天面试是三个人,我老板,市场销售的副总还有人力资源的经理。这里面,老板=直接上司是决定性人物。那天随便谈了些,没有任何技术性的问题,这才发现学习的东西和你工作的东西其实可能千差万别的: 我毕业论文是做人眼视觉光谱的,工作是卖开关的。

面试好了,顺便参观一下工厂,老板说他们还要面些人,到时给我答复,于是就回去了。回到家以后我也没有歇着,马上写了封信给ABB那边,也算是表表决心,如果有了offer一定会去vaasa。很多小城市的雇主也有这种顾虑,怕给了你offer但是你因为地方的原因不肯过来。面试以后写封信过去表表决心还是有点作用的,不过几天,那边来了一封信,就是好消息了。

拿到offer以后,为了尽快毕业,我拼命的抢学分,赶论文,这里,又是Liisa帮了我很大的忙,她几乎是帮我量身定做了一门课以便我凑齐学分,就这样,在12月中旬我顺利完成了所有的课,交上了论文。中间玩了一趟欧洲,省去一万字。

最后说一下芬兰的ABB, ABB在芬兰有6000多号人,主要集中在Helsinki和Vaasa. Helsinki那边主要是Machines和Drives, 约有3000人,Vaasa这边有LVP(我所在的工厂), 低压系统, 变压器,继电站和马达。这两年行业发展很不错,都在招兵买马,所以就业应该很有希望。各位读电气工程的朋友请坚定信心,好好读书,好好实习,一定能找到一份让你满意的工作。

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十分感谢曹总的好文章!小弟对曹总的文笔一向佩服的紧。
你写到:我毕业论文是做人眼视觉光谱的,工作是卖开关的;我告诉你些更搞的:爱因斯坦学的是酒店管理,切尼学的是现代舞蹈,小甜甜布莱尼的本科论文是关于在后苏联时期波兰的社会主义劳工关系的...... (出处见此文以Number six开头的一段)


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Post by Joydodo » 28 Nov 2007 23:56

Pimp your job in Finland

Published on Polyteekkari No. 14, 2007

This is the hardest topic to write about, and I am trying to be as careful as possible, as this time my target readers are our desperate foreign degree students of TKK. IMPs need to get pimped the most.

Finding a job in Finland is not easy for foreigners. Though the law has changed this year and now you are allowed to stay up to 6 months after graduation purely for job hunting, the situation probably has not improved much. After all, this is Finland.

There are not many places available in Finnish companies for foreigners, as a matter of fact. Companies are not willing to hire foreigners, because:

-Most jobs, by their nature, simply require native Finnish speakers to handle;
-Foreigners with a degree from TKK usually speak poor Finnish;
-Finnish employees do not wish to shift to English in the office;
-Some simply don't like/trust foreigners, or some specific groups of foreigners.
Companies hire foreigners, because:
-They can't find a Finn for that special position/skill;
-They are operating internationally and need foreign ways of thinking to broaden their views;
-You are cheaper than Finns for the same level of skills;
-You work harder/better than Finns;
-You know less about Finnish law and labor union things.

OK, so what you should do? You can find many advices on job hunting online, but here are my slightly alternative yet useful ones.

-As soon as you have registered as a degree student in TKK, join TEK. You do not have to pay for the unemployment fund yet, just get the TEK membership. Check www.tek.fi. The reason why you should join the union is that, no matter how decent your company/boss looks, things happen and have happened. Consult TEK whenever you have a doubt with the job contract you are going to sign, or when the company wants to kick you out. TEK also has job ads on their website.

-Think about what you really want to do and what you can compromise with, namely, whether you can accept jobs not in your study field. Most jobs our TKK foreign degree students have found are programming jobs, probably because few of them speak Finnish. If you study things other than coding stuff and you really want to work in Finland, you should either manage a programming language, or manage the Finnish language. This can sound surprising for Finns, while I know quite a few foreign students simply want that work experience in Finland and are doing coding jobs rather than what they actually study.

-Visit www.uraverkko.net, which is the career service of TKK. Get them to revise your CV and cover letter in a Finnish way. Finns think and see differently from many other cultures, buddy, your perfect CV might be thrown aside at first glance. Well, of course sometimes they throw aside any CV written in English, but you don't wanna work for that kind of companies, do you?

-Learn some Finnish. Suomi 1 is compulsory for IMP students, but that course is shallow, more like fun time for exchange students. Get your butt down to the chair and study hard, only when you are in Suomi 4 you will begin to see the grammars in Metro. I know, I know, without a Finnish girlfriend it is so hard to learn the language, but you can get that girlfriend after you have learned how to compliment her. I also know it is hard to handle Finnish course and embedded systems at the same time, but why do you always give yourselves excuses? You wanna work in Finland, right? (I have always wished that TKK could make Suomi 1-4 compulsory for IMP students, call me evil, but shouldn't you pay some efforts if you do not need to pay for tuition fee?)

-After you have learned some Finnish vocabularies, you can start browsing job ads in Finnish. In most cases, job ads written in English are foreigner-friendly companies/positions; however, there are also ads in Finnish which could provide you opportunities, so don't let go those.

-Tell your Finnish friends that you are looking for a job. Half of the available jobs in Finland are not published anywhere, Finns get them through friends and families, namely, human networks. If you really need a job and you have told your friends, they might inform you about such opportunities when they know there are available places. You don't have Finnish friends? Erh, that I can't help, get a girlfriend instead-it is easier to get a Finnish girlfriend than to get a Teekkari boy friend sometimes, have to admit.

-Keep a good attitude. Sometimes foreigners cannot get the job because their personal appearances are not pleasant in the job interview. I know you would dress up for the interview but the appearance in your eyes is not dressable. Keep a positive attitude, and try to like the Finns and enjoy your life in Finland, appreciate this experience even if you don't have any money to party and have to live on the cheapest pizza and pasta. If you hate life, your eyes and body language shows it-and who would hire someone who hates Finland?

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Post by frogsir » 02 Dec 2007 21:24

我经历的芬兰面试.

最短的面试: 15分钟表达自己
最高效的面试: 直接商量上班干啥, 根本没有试
最奇怪的面试: 要求心算2位数乘法
最多的面试: 3次
最长的面试: 1天
最严肃的面试: 三堂会审!
最有性格的面试: 虽然没录取, 但是一个月以后邮寄了一本GE创始人的传记.
最难的面试: 当场在30人面前做限时presentation.


总结面试需要的素质:
说话快, 心理素质好, 脸皮厚, CV要背熟. 体能好, 心算能力强, 超强的presentation 能力!

建议: 面试前吃点香蕉补充体力.

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谢谢青蛙!对面试所需的超强presentation能力,我感同身受。直接商量上班干啥那个,不会是咋们TML吧,哈哈。

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Post by rabbitrun84 » 13 Mar 2008 17:40

一些实用的找工作的网址:

mol.fi (editor讲解一下吧?我只会搜IT方面的工作):
http://koulutukset.mol.fi/directSearch. ... clear=true

TKK career service:
https://ssl.uraverkko.net/en/

TKK工作信息的newsgroup:
http://news.tky.fi/thread.php?group=tori.tyopaikat

TEK Recruitment Service (先注册成会员):
http://www.tek.fi/index.php?406

Monster (我个人最喜欢这个,这个链接也是设置好的IT方面的工作):
http://hae.monster.fi/Search.aspx?cy=FI ... rt=rv&vw=b

然后nokia的网站上有实时公布的招聘信息,TKK各个实验室也是。最有效的找工作方法是熟人推荐,所以大家自己积累人脉吧。
We are afflicted in every way, but not crushed; perplexed, but not driven to despair; persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed.

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